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Sam Hardy's avatar

Alex, thanks for replying to our report. You had some good points. However, this comment reflects what I think is a misunderstanding of the Pew report:

"Mathematically for the Protestant average to be 15 points higher, several individual denominations must have significantly higher retention than LDS. Grouping them by fragments makes a misleading comparison.”

If you go down two pages in the report you will see a table with all of the retention rates for the individual Protestant denominations as well as the average rate of 44%. It seems you assumed the 70% was an average of the individuals rates, but it is not. Rather, the 70% seems to count switching from one Protestant denomination to another as retention within Protestantism, if that makes sense.

Stephen Lindsay's avatar

I think you are being over-critical. (I read the article but not the report itself.) The article does address the decline in retention, mentioning the headwinds. It’s balanced and not all roses. Their attendance-weighted retention metric may not be of interest to all faiths, but it does provide a window into the data that is relevant from a certain perspective, and says something useful about the data, so I think it’s fair. They were clear about what they were doing and didn’t just try to sneak in a new definition of “retention”, for example, which would have been unfair. On the clustering with a small sample size - at least they do mention the sample size rather than bury it, and I’m glad they went ahead despite a small sample, as the results do shed important light on an interesting phenomenon. (Same story as your analysis.) I wasn’t bothered by the concerns you mentioned.

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